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City Band-Aid Solutions Won’t Work:
Let’s Build the Underpass and Keep Plessis Open During Construction

The City has now closed Plessis Road at the CNR Redditt line and now thousands of cars per day are crawling through Transcona and Mission Gardens streets to get to Lagimodiere, or Ravenhurst, or Bournais. We know the problem will get worse in September, and when the snow flies in late fall.

The By-Pass will minimize traffic disruption at a reasonable cost: $1 – $1.5 million according to City engineers who have reviewed and costed the By-Pass Option, not the outrageous cost used by the City. The City can actually reuse the aggregate (gravel) to bring this cost down dramatically.

“The detour road we considered was a two-lane asphalt pavement. The suggested $1,000,000 to $1,500,000 did not include other associated costs such as CN signals, City of Winnipeg signals and other conflicts/relocations.”
- Mr. Blake Kibbins, Streets Project Engineer for the City of Winnipeg July 4th, 2013

The City announced it plans to introduce ‘calming measures’ on Bournais to discourage drivers using this route. Of course, this will also increase the traffic on the other alternate routes. This is a Band-Aid approach. Increased policing over a year and five months cost money too! Has anyone asked the Mayor how much this extra cost will be?

16,000 vehicles a day need to find alternate routes for 1 year and 5 months!

The option of the road by-pass was not even offered at the Open Houses until we found out on June 19th the City had actually reviewed this option and had a fully-costed by-pass plan for $1 million. Why wasn’t it brought forward as an option for discussion?

Has the City bothered to request CN to cooperate regarding train schedules?

Build the Underpass without closing Plessis by building a 500 metre two-lane asphalt road to RTAC standards on the west side.

This option was considered by the City, but rejected because it would delay completion of the project. The City would rather cause delays and extra costs, including your gas and time, to 16,000 drivers for 1 ½ years, rather than do the sensible thing and keep Plessis open during construction of the underpass.

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129 Comments

  • Marlene Janzen
    July 8, 2013 - 2:07 pm | Permalink

    With the increased construction of homes already in our area adding further stress to traffic by closing a major thorough fare is ridiculous. The traffic from the east side of Transcona will only use Pandora as an alternate route to get to Lagimodiere Blvd. Regent Ave East with its lower speed rate is not an alternative to drivers. Set up a speed trap and you will notice how many people race down Pandora West now leave alone adding more cars. Its hard enough to get off Atwood onto Pandora which would be our only way out of our excisting development. You want to slow traffic down put up a three way stop instead of the existing pedestrian crosswalk to slow traffic so the people that actually live in the area can use the streets in their neighborhood. We’ve been told that Kernaghan to Plessis would be open but that we would be taking our chances with construction vehicles. This is then not an option and who wants to take their vehicle through contruction mess. I’ve got enough tar on my vehicle from the road patcher thank you very much. Its amazing that the Kenaston underpass was kept open but the east side of the city gets shut down. We get treated like second class citizens paying first class taxes.

  • Grace Page
    July 8, 2013 - 5:09 pm | Permalink

    I understand from reading the Plessis Underpass informational material that Plessis Road is the BUSIEST two lane street in Winnipeg!.

    Between 4:30 and 5:00 p.m.on weekdays, I can see traffic backed up on Dugald Road waiting for the left-hand turning lane (going North on Plessis) even without train delays. I have also experienced traffic back-log on Plessis Road South, waiting to cross Dugald Road and access Transcona. It’s hard to imagine that volume of traffic, from those two directions alone, finding a realistic alternate route. Unfortunately, with the Bournais crossing being in the midst of the Ravenhurst and Lagimodiere crossings, many drivers will try to use the Bournais crossing, as it is is a more realistic detour to access Transcona. This will create traffic tie-ups in this area, safety concerns for children attending Bernie Wolfe School, and high volumes of traffic through a normally quiet residential area (Mission Gardens.) Closing Plessis Road will create an unacceptable hardship for many, for an extremely long period of time.

    • Tom Trenchard
      July 12, 2013 - 6:57 pm | Permalink

      The traffic backup on Dugald at rush hour is not because of excessive traffic but a positive no left turn at Plessis. Funny no one cared about a unacceptable delay to Transcona residents before now. We have Regent Ave that has 6 lanes but only 4 are able to be used because city councillors wil not let us use them. How can traffic increase east of Plessis due to this detour if it has always went that way. Why not use the resources that we already have instead of wasting more money on temporary roads

  • Paul
    July 8, 2013 - 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Its getting rediculous, as to what the city, and the government of Manitoba is getting away with!
    These polititions are voted in and have no regard for the people that voted them in after election time. Plesis road at Dugald is a nightmare every day of the week at rush hour and the city decides to close it for a year and a half, which will probably be two plus years!!!This is the tipical City of Winnipeg mentality for a project! They put a stadium with only 2 or 3 exits??? This was a no brainer, to most people when it was proposed, that it would also be a gridlock. That was proven without a doubt! The street in Winnipeg are the worsted in Canada. They blame the climate and you cross the line into ND US and they are pretty much perfect (same climate), the excuse they use!!!

  • Kent Wesley
    July 9, 2013 - 12:58 am | Permalink

    We need Plessis kept open …..

  • Carla Wesley
    July 9, 2013 - 1:00 am | Permalink

    We need Plessis kept open.

  • Scott Wesley
    July 9, 2013 - 1:03 am | Permalink

    Please keep it open.

  • Jeff Laden
    July 9, 2013 - 2:23 am | Permalink

    This should be a given. If there is a way to keep this crossing open during this construction then ihere is no logical reason that it should not be kept open. It’s time for the government to actually hears what people are saying and not just nod their heads!

  • Mark Bomhoff
    July 9, 2013 - 3:53 am | Permalink

    There is no sense in making this project cost even more then it already will. With in a few weeks people that use that route (my self included several times daily) will find alternate routes. No different then other large construction projects people will adapt. Stop spending money that we don’t have! A 2 lane “temporary road” will hardly make an impact on traffic volumes via alternate routes because of the slow paced traffic on these “temporary roads”. The money spent to construct such “roads” will not be worth the time, gasoline, nor the convenience of the people who frequent this route. Please do not delay this project any longer!

    Mark
    Life time Transcona resident

    • Bob Cream
      July 10, 2013 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

      In a few weeks people will find alternate routes??? Are you kidding? Why don’t they close Plessis permanently if there are alternate routes available. Give your head a shake and don’t comment on things you know nothing about. Detours are a necessary cost of construction.

  • Edward Medzan
    July 9, 2013 - 5:31 am | Permalink

    At the first open house regarding the Plessis Road underpass I wrote of some examples on the opinion sheets that were available and then handed in my suggestion’s of what could be done to prevent the closure of this major roadway as to keep it open during the construction of this new project.When i asked about diverting the traffic around the project i was told that there was infrastructure that would have to be moved in order to permit the idea of diverting the traffic around this new project It is almost the same idea of when they wanted to close the Disreali bridge for 16 months because it would affect the concrete pouring of the new bridge.I then presented to the people involved with this project the idea of what was done with the construction of the Keewatin street underpass in the early 1990′s as this was kept open during the construction of that project.With further reading i find that this idea of keeping Plessis open has been rejected because it would delay the completion of the project but with further investigation that there was a cost associated with this of approximately $155,000.00 in which the parties involved did not want to spend.So between the 3 levels of government this extra cost was not factored into the $77 million project and i do not think enough thought or foresight has gone into this entire project right from the start,I do agree that the project is long overdue and that it should have been constructed in the late 1970′s and not wait until we build more homes in the area and then let years pass and then decide that we really need to do something before it is too late in regards as to where all of this traffic is going to go.It would be the sensible thing to do to keep the Plessis roadway open during the construction and not close it as this is going to cause for major chaos for the following streets, Pandora Ave,Ravenhurst, Bournaise I noticed that traffic monitors were set up on Bournaise St in June and what was the outcome of that.Well the project has taken this long to develop and i think that putting in a 2 lane asphalt roadway on the west side is only common sense in this matter of the continued moving of vehicular traffic along this North South corridor and so it may delay the completion of the project well it has waited this long so what is the big deal.Have they allotted only so much time in doing this project and then move onto another one.Take the time and build it right and make it right the first time and look at to look at the future of transportation in Winnipeg as a whole.

  • Diane Bonefaas
    July 9, 2013 - 12:43 pm | Permalink

    I feel this is completely unnecessary. I would far rather drive extra for a few years, (which will probably equal the amount of time I’ve spent waiting for a train,) than jeopardize any funding, and raising the already incredible price tag of this project. I am so pleased that this project can go forward, and am upset that this is interrupting forward momentum.

    • Ron
      July 14, 2013 - 5:27 am | Permalink

      I’m with you Diane. The extra drive will be worth it in the long run. Keep it open, close it, do whatever, just get the dam thing done. While Mayor Katz and City councillors led by Russ Wyatt have been talking about this for years, where were MLA’s Reid, Maloway and Jha ? Did they attend the open houses or were they thinking of more ways to raise our taxes? Why didn’t you bring up this point before.
      I can see a temporary road especially for emergency vehicles but I’m sure everyone can find alternate routes. I use this route everyday and detest the delays. Make the green lights longer, east and west bound Dugald with no Northbound turns onto Plessis and the traffic will flow just fine. There will be gridlock whether you build a temp road or not.
      Everyone likes to complain. Enough political grand standing NDP and lets move forward.

      Moderator: I saw M.L.A’s Daryl Reid and Jim Maloway at two open houses. I did not see Mr. Jha. Mind you I’m sure I was like you and wasn’t there all the time. I would guess Mr. Jha was there. too.
      The by-pass option was not presented in any way as a viable option and it wasn’t until the Open House of June 19th that it was disclosed by engineers on the project that it was even reviewed, much less costed out. After confirmation by City officials at the end of the first week of July that the by-pass was a viable option we began our campaign.

  • Alex
    July 9, 2013 - 3:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m kind of torn on the issue. The underpass is definitely needed. Wasted time and gas idling waiting for a train to pass as the line up grows long enough for new comers to the cue to opt to spin around and find a faster way. As it stands right now, it’s a bit of a gamble, and one you’re going to lose if your timing is as good as mine.

    I just don’t know how much time it would save to have a road thrown in there. If the city is going to invest so much in there, I would hope they open it properly to two lanes in either direction so it can match the rest of the Plessis Road expansion just a few blocks down. If they do I don’t know how much space that would leave for the road to open up.

    If the road is right there next to construction, how often will you have to stop because I truck is backing out? Ontop of the train issues already there.

    I don’t like the idea of flooding the side streets, especially in front of the school with more traffic. But how many people are going to change their route based on how much of a nightmare this new road is going to be to get across anyways.

    A year and a half is a long time to be inconvenienced, but stretch it out to two years to add a road that has the same/more problem(s) that are trying to be fixed, and they raised taxes to afford in the first place… If I have to pay more tax, I’d much rather it not get wasted when there’s other ways around. They’re not ideal, but nothing will be ideal until the underpass is done.

  • Anne Toews
    July 9, 2013 - 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Keeping Plessis open will cause the project to drag on. Close it and get the job done. I have already altered my daily drive, without resorting to using back lanes and residential streets.

    Moderator: Our worry is many more will be joining you on your alternate route once the closure takes effect.

  • Nola Nerbas
    July 9, 2013 - 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Traffic Problems.

  • Kay Diduch
    July 9, 2013 - 7:01 pm | Permalink

    The closure of Plessis Rd. for this amount of time will not only gridlock traffic, but in the case of emergency vehicles having to be re-routed and probably increased response tiem could very possibly cause loss of life. Both Fire and Ambulance service to St. Boniface Hospital would be affected. A 2 lane road west of the site would likely prevent this, as well as traffic gridlock all the time.

  • Kenny G
    July 9, 2013 - 8:44 pm | Permalink

    It only makes common sense “eco-sense” to keep this open. All the wasted fuel and money for fuel, public time and inconvenience it would cause the public by closing the area completely is nonsense. It would probably be tolerated if it was only a couple months; but 1 1/2 years???? NOT!!!! It should never have ever had to come to the public having to “beg” for a no-brainer that should have been implemented without question. The fact that there aren’t many other routes in and out of Transcona would be total chaos daily to put it mildly. They need to get real!! Obviously a number of councillors, and the Mayor which aren’t affected by this because they live elsewhere, don’t give a damn what makes sense. This is nothing more than a case of theirignorance and stupidity.

    • Bob Cream
      July 10, 2013 - 10:13 pm | Permalink

      You hit the nail on the head. Engineering principles are such that a two month or less delay may not merit the expense of a detour. However, 1.5 years (or more likely longer) is an unacceptable length of time for construction without a detour. And if the poster above is correct in saying that the detour cost is only $177,000 I can tell you that is peanuts for any road construction project.

  • Jim Sinclair
    July 9, 2013 - 8:55 pm | Permalink

    This project has been in the works for over a year now, and is finally a blessing to get started so in the future we have a beautiful underpass with nice traffic flow. WHY now would we be delaying this for another road to be built for access? WHY would this not have been put forward to the commity when the project was approved? I think it’s rediculous to delay now, and is adding more cost to our already high tax dollars!!

    Let’s get with the program people! The project is a blessing that’s LONG OVER DUE!

    “Short term pain will bring long term gain”

    START the PROJECT now PLEASE.

    Thanks, good citezen and tax payer.

  • Rob Bonefaas
    July 9, 2013 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    It seems to me that this idea is brought a bit too late to the public.
    We have been waiting for an underpass for many years, it is worth a year and a half of rerouting and inconvenience.
    Also remember that it is our tax dollars that are at work here. If the city is forced to first build another road the project will take that much longer. Moreover, if the project does not get done in time the city misses out on $25 million funding. Who is going to pay that!? Well, we will have to. So lets get on with it, and support our city in this project.

    • Bob Cream
      July 10, 2013 - 10:16 pm | Permalink

      The Federal cost sharing time limit is a red herring. They always place unreasonable time limits on their “offers” of money for projects. Then what happens is that an extension is granted. Also, the Feds only pay a percentage of the original project estimate. Then when the inevitable cost overruns come in, their $0.33 on the dollar wind up being more like $0.16. Besides the point of this conversation maybe, but my point is the Feds have the option of extending their deadlines.

  • Marcia Giasson
    July 9, 2013 - 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Sometimes in life one has to take the bad in order for something better to happen.

  • Rod Macneil
    July 9, 2013 - 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Leave well enough alone. Always ready to spend/ waste more money..Hopefully the NDP will be voted out soon..We have has enough of your bs. Who paid for this flyer? What a joke.

    Moderator: The flyer was paid for by the Elmwood-Transcona NDP association as indicated on the bottom.

  • Ray Lavoie
    July 10, 2013 - 1:34 am | Permalink

    why not get on with it this it is the year 2013 not 1900 why stop progress when we can move a head. only makes common sence
    thanks

    • Bob Cream
      July 10, 2013 - 10:20 pm | Permalink

      In the year 2013 we have such things as safety rules that are put in place to prevent school children from being hurt or killed by improperly rerouted traffic. Proper detours are an absolute necessity from a safety perspective and in my opinion the city is opening itself up to lawsuits for not analyzing this situation properly.

  • Cheryl Smart-Carvalho
    July 10, 2013 - 2:55 am | Permalink

    Living in Mission Gardens I am concerned how the increased traffic on Bournais will effect the safety in the school zone around Bernie Wolfe Community school for all the families trying to get their children to and from school. How will all the backed up traffic effect the school buses in the area as they struggle to get the children who require busing? How will this effect the ability of Winnipeg transit to get all the area residents who use transit services to and from the area in an acceptable time frame? The area keeps getting built up with more and more housing which we did not want, specifically the newest development at Atwood and Pandora. More housing, more cars with less access to the area. I don’t feel Regent can handle anymore traffic, it is already congested at key hours of the day. This makes little to no sense at all…… We need Plessis to stay open.

  • Henry Janzen
    July 10, 2013 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    We have lived here for the past 27 years and have seen the traffic increase especially down Pandora between Plessis and Bournais. At certain times of the day we have a wait to get onto Pandora off of Atwood.We now have a new subdivision being built on Atwood meaning even more traffic in the next little while If traffic is not a concern to Mr. Wyatt then why did the city install a crosswalk at the corner of Pandora and Atwood last fall. We attended the second open house and were ensured that the traffic would be monitored. You can bet your bottom dollar nothing will be done after the traffic picks up. Thats the way this city works. They will not detour onto Regent they will continue down westward Pandora to either Owen or Bournais. That is human nature. They will take shortcuts. Only a road that is closed would stop people and sometimes that is not enough. Pandora (that is between Plessis and Bournais) is not a truck route now. We have trucks going down Pandora now or down Bournais which is also not a truck route. Everybody takes shortcuts. But its all about the money like Mr. Wyatt mentioned in one of the videos. I am not against the project. We require the underpass. It is long overdue since Mr. Katz and his cronies sent us the CN intermodal to Symington Yards. Traffic has increased because of it but nothing was done to alleviate the extra truck traffic in our area. Plessis is still two lanes between Fermor and Dugald and it will remain that way for years to come. DAMN THE PEOPLE.

    • Bob Cream
      July 10, 2013 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

      The city can “monitor” the traffic all they want. Once the project is in the construction phase it will be too late to fix any problems they discover with their monitoring.

  • Ron Andrews
    July 10, 2013 - 1:29 pm | Permalink

    You people should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to delay this important project by fear mongering. With any project of this magnatude there will be challenges but people overcome by adapting. Gridlock in Winnipeg? Surley you jest. There are alternate routes that may cost a few extra minutes in travel time during construction but are hardly anything to get this dramatic about. Cars speeding down my back lane? They already do. What’s new? Things often have to get worse before they get better. This investment in time now will pay off in the long run once the project is complete. As a former long time resident of Transcona I and many others have been delayed numerous times at these train tracks. Quit your whining, swallow the bitter pill, and let this project proceed without further delay so that the fine folks who are affected can start saving time by not having to deal with the inconveniences caused by this rail intersection.

    • Bob Cream
      July 10, 2013 - 10:26 pm | Permalink

      I am one of the fine folks affected. I drive through the tracks at least twice a day and I can assure you that waiting for trains for ten years would never add up to more time than driving an extra 15 minutes plus each day for over a year and a half to get around the construction.

  • Chris
    July 10, 2013 - 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Not sure why you’re waiting until the 11th hour to petition to have new access road created.

    Why didn’t you or your party raise this issue when this project was tabled years ago. This is a complete waste of everyones time.

    Focus on other issues and be more proactive next time.

    Moderator: We only found out about the bypass option on the June 19th Open House. It took a number of days to verify details. This was an option summarily dismissed by the City that needs to have community input.

  • Ben & Shelly
    July 10, 2013 - 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Wyatt seems to be into himself and does not care about the people in his Riding. He is totally out of touch with the needs of Transcona.

  • William crosby
    July 10, 2013 - 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Are you kidding me! What a waste of money!! A temp road could be torn up and need constant repair!! I use it a couple times a day and I have NO problem going to 59 !!

  • Elmer Neufeld
    July 10, 2013 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    They should build a detour, which would not cost very much. The money spent would be saved on extra gas going on residential detours. It would not have to be a deep trench and filled with rocks etc. just something cheap, since it only needs to last 1 1/2 years.. SUGGESTION– WHY DON’T THEY HAVE 3 EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS AND GET IT DONE IN 1/3 THE TIME IN MY DAY WE WORKED NIGHT SHIFT ON ROTATION . (SOME JOBS REQUIRE NIGHT SHIFT AND IF YOU WANT TO WORK IN CONSTRUCTION , SO BE IT–NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE 8 TO 5. I believe our mp’s etc should start using their heads and come up with some creative ideas instead of just sitting around GIVING themselves raises whenever..

  • Jason Winnicky
    July 10, 2013 - 7:31 pm | Permalink

    This whole petition is such a joke. Just start working already. So what if traffic is congested for 15 months, it’s not like Winnipeggers aren’t used to bad traffic.

  • Karen
    July 10, 2013 - 8:51 pm | Permalink

    The planning for this underpass has been in the works for years and as I recall, there were several open houses held to discuss the building of the underpass and there were plenty of opportunities for people to voice their opinions at that time. So why, once the signs are up and the equipment in place, does the province stick their noses into this now?

    I use this route to and from work on a daily basis and am more than happy to change my route for the year and a half to get this done. In the long run, it will be worth it for the many years after that when I will not have to wait in a line up wasting my gas and time waiting for trains. However, I do not want to have to be re-routed for another half a year on top of that in order for a road to be built that will have no use after the underpass is operational. It is a waste of time and money and if it was felt to be necessary, this should have been planned for a year ago.

    Regarding detours and rerouting, there is no reason why anyone needs to use Bournais as an alternate route other than those who live in the immediate area and that area should be limited to local traffic only. Others should suck it up and either use Lagimodiere or Ravenhurst… an extra 10 to 15 minutes of your day now will save you time later. Think about it people… stop finding something to complain about and help facilitate the beginning and completion of this endeavor rather than creating a delay that in the end may indeed lose us the Federal funding needed for this project.

    Moderator: The By-Pass option was first disclosed as a viable option June 19th.

  • B&J Brooks
    July 10, 2013 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Where were you when CN decided to close the walkway thru the Shops?
    Where were you when CN decided to increase the length of their trains to the point
    they take 20 minutes to pass the intersection?
    BUTT OUT!!!!! You are not gaining any respect by trying to slow down this project.
    Even if you think you have the best intentions.
    Most people have already come to terms with the fact that they will have to adjust
    their travelling time and routes they take.
    Let’s get this project on the road (pun intended).

  • cori
    July 11, 2013 - 12:14 am | Permalink

    As for ambulances and police vehicles being rerouted and severely delayed – what do they do now when trains are crossing? Why was this temporary road not made such a high priority with you three before this – I think the original plan that was agreed to a year ago be adhered to at this late date – seems ridiculous to start this political grand standing now.

  • Alison Boily
    July 11, 2013 - 12:44 am | Permalink

    Traffic congestion and re-routing aside (yes, we ARE Winnipegers and used to this, but we’re used to it for a reason — poor planning on the part of our city “planners”), we need to consider that the emergency services will now have one less access point to Transcona. NOT SAFE, NOT SMART!

  • Chris Picklyk
    July 11, 2013 - 2:34 am | Permalink

    I am long time resident of East Transcona. I have been commuting to Fort Garry to my place of work for over 20 years. Waiting for trains on Plessis has been horrendous especially over the past several years to the point that my patience has run dry. I have already modified my route to work. This underpass is way over due and putting it in jepordy by deciding a temporary road is needed at this late stage in the project is unspeakable to me. Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the better good. Stop this petition nonsense and get on with the show.

    Moderator: The Mayor and the Premier have given assurances the project will still go ahead.

  • J.G.
    July 11, 2013 - 3:25 am | Permalink

    As much as I’d love a temporary road, I don’t think it’s a good idea at all! Many valid reasons mentioned already.

    What I REALLY wish they’d do is focus on the existing traffic controls and improve on them. I grew up near Bernie Wolfe, and sometimes still take that route as a shortcut, although the stop signs get pretty backed up during rush hour or just after a train. (Hey, why not throw in an underpass there too! Just kidding) There’s a neat little shortcut over to Heartstone now, but it’s full on residential. Not good.

    Maybe a set of lights at Bournais/Rougeau would help. And to keep the speeds reasonable, maybe some speed bumps? But not those small ones that hammer your suspension (and internal organs!)

    Signal timing at many intersections throughout the city need major reworking! 4 or 5 flashes of a turning light is NOT enough to flush it out. Specifically, Regent/Lag. And the lineups at Lag/Dugald back to Marion! I think adjusting the timing would help. These intersections will likely be affected by this closure.

    One final thought, not exactly related, is WHY are cross walk lights yellow and mounted so high? I say make them red, and same height as train crossings. Hell, throw up some red light cameras there too!

  • July 11, 2013 - 6:03 am | Permalink

    The Mayor is quoted as saying, “All he does is fight things that are trying to make the city a better place, and yet he does absolutely nothing,”
    I cannot believe the juvenile garbage that comes from Sam Katz’ mouth, I would rather see Mr. Maloway in the mayors seat, as this boob has already proven to be a foolish spender and a money grubbing, self serving con artist.
    I respect what Jim Maloway is trying to do, and it seems he is the only one to have a level head about things.
    Oust Katz and bring in Maloway.

  • orest fedorchuk
    July 11, 2013 - 11:52 am | Permalink

    Short term pain for long term gain just get done

  • Scott Donald
    July 11, 2013 - 12:45 pm | Permalink

    If this intersection is so busy that it justifies having an underpass, would it not also justify planning an alternate route to allow traffic to flow? You can’t argue that Plessis and Dugald is so busy it justifies an underpass and then argue we should close it for 18 months while we ‘fix’ it.

  • I Briggs
    July 11, 2013 - 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Shut Plessis down! I use Plessis almost every day but I can change my route and be a little inconvenced for a while if it means not having too wait at all times of the day for a slow moving train.

  • Chris Daley
    July 11, 2013 - 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Keep Plessis open.

  • M. Corbett
    July 11, 2013 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Just get the overpass started and completed. Waiting for trains costs us just as much as going around on an alternate route. Let’s not make waves that aren’t there. It is a nightmare corner right now.

  • Natalie S5anger
    July 11, 2013 - 7:47 pm | Permalink

    The construction of the underpass is not something that just came up and decided upon. It is a project that had been in works for a while and that needs to get done. I understand everyones concerns with added delays, the lack of options out of transcona and the safety in residential areas especially where there are kids. Having plessis open would be great but at this point the plans I find it is a little late. Why was this not addressed sooner. A majority of people trying to get in and out of transcona are frustrated with the delays. Everyone in teanscona kniws of the project,, knoow they may have to leave a litlle earlier then usual and make adjustments to tjhere route but when all is said and done, traffic will flow so much better, we should be happy the issue of the underpas is moving forward

    Moderator: We too are happy about the Underpass being finally built. The Premier and Mayor have confirmed it will indeed be going ahead. We welcome this reaffirmation about the project. Our view though is the project needs to be done sensibly, and the by-pass option was not on the table for the public to consider and it should have been. We did not know it was a viable option until the June 19th Open House. We took a few days to confirm the general costs and are now letting residents and drivers know this is indeed an option, before it’s too late. And it’s not too late.

  • T.
    July 11, 2013 - 9:25 pm | Permalink

    There seems to be more concern over inconvenience for drivers than where the focus should be….on the safety of the children at Bernie Wolfe School. It is already chaos at 3:30 p.m. weekdays when the kids get out of school, and even worse when a train is going by. Just try getting out of the school parking lot at that time! Drivers on Bournais are so impatient when they are held up here, I can’t imagine what it will be like during Plessis construction. Something serious is going to happen at the Bournais/Rougeau intersection, and I’m afraid for the lives of the school patrols.
    If more traffic will be coming down Bournais, perhaps traffic lights would help. At the very least, traffic cops or cadets will be needed to keep the kids safe.
    Also, with the addition of Heartstone, people are using this as a way to get to east Transcona. Our quiet little neighbourhood has changed for the worse, as cars are steadily coming down our previously quiet street every day to get to Heartsone. Many people drive like they are on a race track, and the increase in traffic this construction will cause is going to make it a living hell.

    • Mensforth
      July 23, 2013 - 1:38 pm | Permalink

      I agree!!!! Once the underpass is complete it will reduce the traffic through Bernie Wolfe which will be fantastic, But putting the children and cross guards in danger for a year and half THIS SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER!!!!

  • Ken Kent
    July 11, 2013 - 10:43 pm | Permalink

    It is finally nice to see some attention is been made to help the traffic situation on Plessis Road, with the building of the new underpass. It’s a long time coming. I have lived in Transcona since the early 60′s and watched the city build new homes every year, without building another major road too enter or leave Transcona. Now this stupid city wants to close one of our major road ways. Give your heads shake or bend over and take a good backside kicking!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Paul Kurylko
    July 12, 2013 - 3:45 am | Permalink

    The need to divert traffic was anticipated when the project was first concieved, or should have been. As with the Disraeli project, other options were available, but not developed. With the Disraeli project the consulting team suppporting Plenary Roads bid developed an option that keep the route open. There should have been more emphasis on exploring the same option here. Communications with the community and road users is something that tthe City needs to get serious about addressing. The days of road engineers and politicians sticking to one ill-concieved plan just because they think it is the only option died years ago. Real public consultaion involves ENGAGING the stakeholders in real dialogue about what they will experience everyday during and after the project. The real benifit is that the same process provides the opportunity to EDUCATE the stakeholders in why and how things need to be done and the engineers and politicians on what is really important to the stakeholders, ignorance, in all its contexts is the culprit, and this project SHOULD be delayed until real dialogue is held and the best option is determined. We have waited a long time for this underpass, whats a few more years. If the City hired the wrong advisor, then they should think to get a different one.

  • Gayleen Haw
    July 12, 2013 - 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Please keep Plessis open!

  • Mike Manaigre
    July 12, 2013 - 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Please keep Plessis open

  • J Rennie
    July 12, 2013 - 8:57 pm | Permalink

    I am flabbergasted over this last minute bravado on your part which could put this badly needed and long overdue project in jeopardy. As usual your political future takes precedence over long term considerations for the well being and safety of your constituents. It is time the three of you followed the example of Russ Wyatt in working for the betterment of our community.

    Moderator: The Premier and the Mayor have both reaffirmed the project will go ahead. The project is not in jeopardy. We note here those opposed to the closure of the road during construction because of traffic concerns on the alternate routes are precisely concerned for the well-being and safety of residents.

    • Ron
      July 18, 2013 - 7:10 pm | Permalink

      Russ Wyatt is working for the betterment of his own political future since jumping in bed with the conservatives (remember the automated calls from Wyatt prior to the election endorsing Toet). Wyatt was once in Katz’s inner circle years ago however ousted because he was himself and spoke his mind against some of Katz’s right wing policies. Wyatt is now back in Katz’s inner circle as depuy Mayor no less at the cost of being one of Katz’s “yes men”. Remember if you don’t play by Sammy’s rules you can’t be in his club.

  • Stacey
    July 12, 2013 - 9:38 pm | Permalink

    It’s Ludacris to shut down Plessis!
    KEEP IT OPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Walter G. It will help reduce traffic at bernie Wolfe school and a lot of other places.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:09 pm | Permalink

    GS Any project the City plans always late on date timeline. Why now?

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Charlene B. It takes me 10 minutes to get to work using Plessis. If I had to find another route plus add in all the other drivers looking for an alternate route it would take too long.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:16 pm | Permalink

    L.C. Verhaeghe This is a poor way to get political brownie points.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:23 pm | Permalink

    S. Pelletier Why did it take you 2 years or more to question the underpass? At the risk of losing the funding to do this that holds up 16,000 vehicles per day!! Were you sleeping!!

    Moderator: Good question. Like everyone else we believed the City when it said the by-pass option was not an option because of technical reasons – too costly among other things. On June 19th at the Open House we found out this option was actually reviewed and costed out – and possible. By the end of last week we had responses from City engineers detailing the actual costs in more detail. The better question is, why didn’t the City allow the community to consider this option. Good thing we were awake ;) As for the project itself, the Premier and the Mayor recently reaffirmed the project will go ahead.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Kyle Chernetz. Definately keep open!! This will affect other major routes such as Ravenhurst and even Regent Avenue traffic.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Damien Hurd They cannot close Plessis for over a year. That would be devastating to so may people and businesses.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Blair Benoit (yes). It’s the sensible route to go. 1.5 years is a long time.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Bachart An alternate route should be made available for such a major road.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Glenn Campbell If the Underpass is required for the economic growth of Transcona then how can it be closed for 11/2 years?

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Darrell & Tracy Moborough Need access out of Transcona!

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Derek Loewen We need a route (truck) now that Beghin is now closed. We will have Regent & Ravenhurst to get across.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Darrel Seeahai Keep Plessis open like Kenaston. Closing Plessis for 1 1/2 years is not worth it. Counter-productive.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Christine Alexander New Flyer main plant at 711 Kernaghan is where we travel to daily for meetings, training and line support. This closure will result in wasted time for employees to find alternate routes.

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Joel Saurette If there is room to keep traffic moving beside the over-passing construction, why don’t we?

  • admin
    July 12, 2013 - 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Ron Bittner There is room there. Do the right thing – not a repeat of the football stadium fiasco.

  • Millie Picklyk
    July 13, 2013 - 2:16 am | Permalink

    This is shameful behaviour on the part of these MLA’s, who are attempting to interrupt this project and thereby jeopardize the funding, with their petition. Where were they when the plan was in the initial stages? When did they become interested in what would be good for Transcona?

    For them to say that the closure will cause extra time and gas for the people, what do they think has been happening all these years, as we waited for trains, at least twice a day every day, for years and years? Did that not cost us time and gas?

    This underpass is long overdue and if it had been up to these MLA’s, it would still not be happening.

    This underpass needs to go forward, without delay!

    Moderator: The Premier and Mayor have reaffirmed the project will indeed proceed. The public is now having its say.

    GET THE UNDERPASS DONE !

  • Sharon
    July 13, 2013 - 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Get it done already, quit the dam politics BS. Should of thought of this roadway along time ago!

    Moderator: We agree. Why was this option hidden?

  • Bill McLean
    July 13, 2013 - 6:51 pm | Permalink

    I do not think it is financially responsible to throw out a red herring this late in the game.
    We have waited far too long for this project to get approved as it is.
    The time it would take to get the required approval from all 3 levels of
    Govt. will either seriously delay the project or else add even more
    strain on Dugald Road if construction of a new Road to the west side of Plessis Road was to be built after the Plessis project had already
    started !

  • Kim
    July 13, 2013 - 10:04 pm | Permalink

    It doesn’t matter if there is an alternate road put in for traffic to go through. Traffic will still get backed up during rush hour and construction causing delays anyways with a single lane.
    The faster the project gets started, the faster it will get done!!!!
    The whole idea was projected in 2011 so it wasn’t a secret, signs were posted and articles in the paper and of coarse NDP was all on board as you can see pictures on the internet holding up signs promoting it and attending press conferences.
    The project will go on, but delays by NDP will make it worse.
    Jim Maloway needs to put his tail between his legs, get over losing the election and butt out of TRANSCONA BUSINESS.
    This Underpass wouldn’t be happening if the majority didn’t wanted a solution to the problem to begin with!!!!! The people complained long enough and Russ said ok lets fix the problem.

    Moderator: The majority is speaking now.

  • Gerry
    July 14, 2013 - 2:03 am | Permalink

    This is ridiculous. Where were the NDP MLAs the last few years when this was being planned? Why take this position at the 11th hour? Has to be for political reasons. If they truly cared for the residents of Transcona, they would have voiced this concern a long time ago. Now, typical NDP, they will drive the costs way up with this late position. Were you asleep at the wheel the last few years?

    Moderator: The by-pass option was hidden from the public until early July. We brought it forward. The better question is, who was asleep at the wheel? Good thing we weren’t.

  • Tanya
    July 14, 2013 - 6:26 pm | Permalink

    The project WILL go over a year and a half and it WILL go over budget anyway, all projects in this city pretty always do (most recent example-our stadium) so why not make it a little easier on all of us and build the temporary road to make it a tiny bit easier in the meantime. I’m sure if we knew all the things our government is blowing our money on that we don’t know about it would make you ill, so at least with this we know where the extra money is going and for once its benefiting us instead of the politicians. Hopefully this roadway expansion will be the first of many, the city needs much much more of these. Badly. I’m glad they are finally putting money towards improvements. About time. This project is only about 40 years behind schedule? Had they done it when they were supposed to I’m sure it would’ve cost hundreds of thousands less. So thanks to their poor planning and procrastination we will all pay the extra for it. So just do it and do it right, then it will finally be done and for once the residents will benefit from it as well.

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Heather & Ken Smith No. The Underpass is greatly needed. Why when it’s weeks away from progressing do you decide to try and delay. We all know it will be an inconvenience for a period of time. Just like sitting for 30 minutes waiting for a train to pass. let’s get on with it!

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Marleen Vanzwol Yes. I can’t believe this could happen when there could be such an easier fix.

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Bob J. Yes. There is a definite need for a two-lane asphalt road.

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

    A. Nieckarz Yes. Regent Avenue is busy enough without additional traffic caused by closing Plessis. This reminds me of the initial plan to close the Disraeli Bridge during construction. Who thinks of these things? Definitely not the commuters who are travelling to their jobs (to pay taxes!) Work is being done on Plessis for what reason? To make it more efficient because it does handle quite a bit of traffic? If this is the case, and it is deemed important, how can you justify taking it away completely for over a year? I wish that all decision makers are as inconvenienced by their choices as are those of us without a say. START THINKING!!! (if possible)

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Joanna and Barney D. Yes. Gridlock is unacceptable.

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Nancy Z. Yes. Use Dugald & Plessis every day going and coming home from work.

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Renee T. yes. By keeping it open I am able to go tanning and make it to my friends without taking a huge detour.

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Amayeit G. Yes, I want the road open.

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:19 pm | Permalink

    K. Cooke. Yes. Safety, police and ambulance thoroughfare! Delays could be critical!

  • admin
    July 15, 2013 - 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Bruce, Carol, and Ken B. Yes. poor planning should have done it before underpass was started.

  • Fred Bosko
    July 17, 2013 - 6:07 pm | Permalink

    We need to get this done ASAP while we are getting the funds. People will find alternate routes, which at first will be inconvenient, but they will get used to it. The route by Bernie Wolfe School should be monitored by city workers and fixed so it can handle ‘mega’ traffic. Leave them alone to get it done.

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Vicki DeMarchi. Yes. Poor City plan.

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 6:13 pm | Permalink

    A. Denise & Lyle Corbet Yes. C.N. Rail never should have been allowed after closing it as a running yard. To open & close slow inspections. Also refueling locomotive in yards causes spillage along the track.

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Kathie Eckhoudt Yes. Crucial that we do this!

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Linda Stearns Yes. I cross Plessis Rd at CNR Redditt about 4 times a day. I live in South Transcona and while I am very inconvenienced by train traffic, I am not sure what my new route will be, especially in winter.

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Eric Stearns. Yes. I am very concerned re: possible heavy traffic on Symington, not a good road to drive on most good days!!

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Joyce Cormack Yes. I totally agree. Plessis should not be closed. I also think the underpass is not needed – will cost far too much money.

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 8:31 pm | Permalink

    J. Sutton No. Waiting for a road to be built will only delay the opening of underpass. Longer we delay the more its going to cost. province should be happy they raise gas tax by 5 c now they can receive extra gas to help pay for this underpass.

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Victor Polishuk Yes. The Plessis Road is an important traffic artery and it should be bypassed during construction of the underpass. It is a common practice.

  • admin
    July 17, 2013 - 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Joan & Walter Klos Yes The road would be terrific in the winter time as we have no store or gas access in our area. Great idea.

  • Andrew Hildebrandt
    July 17, 2013 - 11:58 pm | Permalink

    I agree that closing Plessis will be an inconvenience but spending an additional million plus dollars on a temporary road is ridiculous. This is just another example of the fiscally irresponsible NDP trying to get votes after being boot stomped out of Transcona last election.

    • Bob Cream
      July 25, 2013 - 4:01 pm | Permalink

      Ridiculous? A dollar per Manitoban? Detours are part of the cost of doing business. And the cost isn’t a million dollars. Plus the material used is salvageable. The City Engineers are simply too lazy to do the right thing. I can’t believe there is a single person criticizing the need for a detour. Maybe these brilliant thinkers should start criticizing other parts of the design since they appear to know so much about engineering. Like the fact the City is putting a compromised vertical design in place because they didn’t want to spend the money to follow engineering standards? Why has nobody complained about the fact that tax dollars are being wasted that way?

  • Jerry
    July 18, 2013 - 3:10 am | Permalink

    Just get on with it. It will cause the short term inconvenience but worth it in the end. This project has been in the planning for such a long time, why a week before starting does this question pop up. Why is Mr Maloway involved in this when this isn’t his area. The elected politicians in our community have backed this, lets get on with it. I live just off Plessis too and will adapt my driving routes accordingly.

    Moderator: Why wasn’t the by-pass option brought forward by the City when they reviewed it and costed it out? Why was it hidden from the public?

  • Ron
    July 18, 2013 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

    For those who are opposed to a temporary alternate road being built during the Plessis underpass project which will to help reduce traffic hazards at Bernie Wolfe School. Might I suggest transferring your children (or grandchildren, whichever case applies) to Bernie Wolfe School. In that way part or all of your day will be consumed with the thought of your child or grandchild returning home from school safely.

  • Rob Beal
    July 18, 2013 - 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Cancel the whole project. Deal with the increase of CN trains as it is the root cause to the problem. Perhaps more trains should be schedule over night. There is a bigger need for changes at the crossing in East Transcona at the the intersection of 101 and 15 or at 15 and Ravenhurst.

  • Cathy
    July 19, 2013 - 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Ravenhurst is bad enough now. Why did the so called over paid city planners allow the four lane road to narrow to a two lane road with a major train crossing on it? I have sat for 20 to 25 minutes waiting for a train to get across Ravenhurst backing up, stopping and then going forward and then stopping again and so on. At least heading down Pandora to Plessis was an alternative. Now, there will be none at all unless you go all the way to Bournais. Traffic down Regent is really heavy already in the morning. Getting in and out of Transcona is going to be a nightmare for 18 months. Why can’t the city use different crews to work days, evenings and nights to finish the job in half the time? This is supposedly such a major route that we need an underpass but, on the other hand we can close it for 15 months and all the traffic can easily take other routes. How is this possible? If this is no problem then, why do we need an underpass? We definitely need a temporary road for the 16000 cars a day that use Plessis. After the Disraeli fiasco you would think the city knows this. Our tax dollars at work! Go figure.

  • Ken
    July 20, 2013 - 5:52 pm | Permalink

    You wouldn’t need to build an underpass if the train schedules were restricted to non peak time rush hours especially if they plan to stop and back-up while blocking the roadway. You need to keep it open as the only other routes into Transcona are not equipped to handle the additional traffic load particularily if there is a train crossing at those locations as well.

    Why does it take 1.5 years to construct an under pass anyway when they can build a Stadium faster than that?

    Sure hope they don’t build an underpass that floods everytime it rains like most of the others in this city. They should do it the right way and build an overpass instead!

  • Darlene
    July 22, 2013 - 6:36 pm | Permalink

    A year and a half is too long to deal with gridlock on alternate routes. Why frustrate an entire community for such a lengthy period of time ? Not a wise idea!

  • Kent
    July 23, 2013 - 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Do you want the underpass or not? People moaned and complained to have this underpass for years and now when it’s becoming a reality they have to find something new to complain about. Plessis being closed won’t affect any businesses or be detrimental to the area economy it’s simply inconvenient. When the underpass is done that route will be great but we have to get there somehow. Find an alternate route for now and move on.

    • Bob Cream
      July 25, 2013 - 3:46 pm | Permalink

      How is this comment even addressing the issue? Putting a detour in doesn’t stop the project. These kind of comments are just stupid and a waste of space.

  • Mensforth
    July 23, 2013 - 1:26 pm | Permalink

    I believe a good chunk of traffic will use Bournais Drive as an alternate route, have you ever tried driving down that road when parents are dropping there children off and picking them up at Bernie Wolfe School? It’s a nightmare and already takes 1/2 hour to get from the school back to Plessis. I think all Teachers, anyone living down Bournais and Parents of children attending that school should be signing this petition also.

  • admin
    July 23, 2013 - 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Art Colbert No Use the money to work 24-7 and finish the job like the USA builds roads. There are two crossings Lag & Ravenhurst. Wake up.

  • admin
    July 23, 2013 - 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Reuben Kehler No. I have looked forward to the underpass being a reality for 47 years in Transcona. I wish you 3 guys would stay out of it and let it be constructed.

  • Ashley
    July 24, 2013 - 11:21 am | Permalink

    The traffic is going to go right infront of bernie wolfe school, that school isnt set up to be near a busy street. they have student crossing guards. I don’t see that even being possible.

    • Patricia Medgyes
      July 26, 2013 - 6:04 am | Permalink

      Mission Gardens hasn’t been a quiet residential area for a long time.!!
      I live at 2 Hatcher, the last house before the CN track. The traffic has been crazy, and yes! at the crossing for the Bernie Wolfe school as well, when the traffic is backed up as far as the eye can see. I now,can hardly back out of my driveway to turn on to Bournais, with the long, long line of traffic. I can actually count 100 cars passing my home in less than 1 minute, when the CN track has opened after another train has finally passed. Then we have the problem of some trains coming to a halt, and just not moving for sometimes up to 20 minutes. There’s always an excuse of why this happens.. There was a time when the train could pull up to 100 cars,now it’s 200 cars long. They’ve just shoved another engine or two after the first 100 cars.,and sometimes another one at the end.
      Then…there’s the “daily” problem of cars waiting for the train,Drivers that never seem to realize that they’re Blocking the approach to the parking lot of the Bernie Wolfe School. Folks have a very difficult time getting in and out, sometimes having to drive over the boulevard to make that turn. Russ Wyatt said, that he didn’t think that Mission Garden residents would mind , but I sure do!!!! It’s going to be a nightmare in the working.! Please put in that 500 metre road!!
      Why were we not informed of that possibility when we attended the first meeting??
      Russ, how would you like to live at my address???

  • Donna Jervis
    July 25, 2013 - 5:18 pm | Permalink

    I am employed as a Community Health Nurse in Transcona. I travel throughout this community and access all areas of Transcona repeatedly. I see the traffic flow while out on our streets daily and I am terrified of the impact closure on Plessis will have. This takes away a major thoroughfare thay will create traffic nightmares and safety issues for pedestrians. Given the length of closure being a min. Of 1 1/2 years….the only sane and responsible option would be to construct another temp. Access somewhere off Pandora. I am certain CN or other businesses in that vicinity agree with the importance this will have to the community and would do their part even if it meant short term use and access to their properties…lets please make this happen!

  • Linda Stearns
    July 26, 2013 - 11:50 am | Permalink

    Plessis should be kept open. If there is no train it is a 10 minute drive for me to get my grandson to school crossing the tracks on Plessis. That time 10 minute drive will probably become 30 minutes on an alternative route and that is one way. There are many, many of us who rely upon that crossing to either get into or out of Transcona. Ravenhurst is not set up for heavy East bound traffic which would be turning at the controlled lights into Transcona. There would be major delays there. Bournais can be backed up on a good day. So, we now have Lagimodiere. If there is construction on Dugald, Good Luck!!!

  • Lucy Cooney
    July 27, 2013 - 5:02 am | Permalink

    Leave it open already. Instead of an underpass, wouldn’t an overpass make more sense and get done sooner, and probably cost less.

  • Dave C
    July 29, 2013 - 5:33 am | Permalink

    Evidently we do not have any city planners or city engineers in Winnipeg if we did they surely would have had everything in place before beginning this debacle ??.

    • Ron
      July 31, 2013 - 1:52 am | Permalink

      We did have City Plannners and engineers who brought forward the by pass option to the City of Winnipeg however the City keep this from the public until the by pass option was found out in mid June. Once found out this web site was created to inform people and request their input/comments. If there is anyone to blame for this debacle the first step would be to contact your elected city councillor to air your complaints.

  • John O'Neil
    July 30, 2013 - 12:25 am | Permalink

    We drove past Bournais this afternoon. The southbound lane was backed up all the way to Pandora. Can’t imagine how we’re going to get in and out of the Bernie Wolfe School parking lot every afternoon come September. How they could possibly consider closing Plessis for 18 months is beyond me, especially when they had other options.

  • Ed
    July 30, 2013 - 12:47 am | Permalink

    Now that Plessis Rd is closed I feel that there should have been more signage and in larger print put up by the City Of Winnipeg Prior to the closure of Plessis Road along with flashing amber lights at the Plessis Pandora Intersection to really make it clear to all motorist that you need to find an alternate route. The signage should have been put up on both sides of Pandora Ave West starting at Hoka St on the one side going west and the same from Atwood going east to Plessis Rd and also on the same idea on Plessis Rd north of Regent Ave on the west side of Plessis Rd from about Ravelstone when going south to make it very clear to motorist’s that the road way is closed off at Kernaghan as so that when motorist’s are heading down to the Plessis Rd/ Pandora Ave West Intersection that they either have to turn off onto Pandora Ave West and go west to Bounaise or turn left at the intersection and head East on Pandora and turn right onto Ravenhurst and not continue on down to Kernaghan and then see the signs at this point that the road is closed and then even continue on go past up to the rail way track and even by pass the barricade as I witnessed myself three times the evening of July 28/2013 at 6:30 P.M. and for these three vehicles to go across to Dugald Rd and or for other vehicles to go up to Kernaghan and either go east or west down Kernaghan and back either to Hoka on the east side or to Robson or Atwood on the west side.I also feel that if you are going to close off the roadway close it off with a number of large concrete barricades beyond the roadway on the grass and not just the flimsy metal one’s that can be driven around as I have seen this evening.I bring this to the attention of the City Of Winnipeg that people going west on Pandora up to Plessis Rd are getting into the left lane to make the turn to go south on Plessis and then see that the roadway is closed off at Kernaghan and instead of making their intended left hand turn at the Plessis /Pandora Intersection decide to merge into the other lane of traffic which is going west in which could result in an accident and which may tie up this very important alternate route of transportation in Transcona at this time. Meanwhile while this important roadway is being closed for the next 1.5 years to facilitate the building of this long overdue underpass no real planning was brought to the table of creating an bypass which has been discussed already which should have been done right at the beginning and factored into the 77 million dollar price tag.

  • Leslie Wilbourne
    July 30, 2013 - 1:19 pm | Permalink

    I live on Ravenhurst and Pandora and the traffic is bad at the best of times but now with the closure it is worse. Now just imagine what it is going to be like when school starts again in 5 weeks or so. It makes me very angry that the ‘powers that be’ just said “find an alternate route’. Like no big deal cause they obviously don’t live there. What is it going to be like for the students of Bernie Wolf, this is one big f’up waiting for some poor student to get hit by a car.

  • Roni
    July 30, 2013 - 4:17 pm | Permalink

    I live in Mission Gardens and yesterday, July 29th at 430pm Bournais St was Insane with traffic ! What will it be like when school is back in around Bernie Wolfe. It is not safe for our children to have to deal with ALL that EXTRA traffic. WE REALLY NEED PLESSIS TO STAY OPEN !!!!!!! Do the right thing and keep it open. This is for a YEAR and a HALF not just a few weeks of disruption, there will be accidents for sure if this keeps up. People are already stressed and angry – long lines of traffic are not what Bounais and other sides streets were designed for !!!

  • Ed
    July 31, 2013 - 3:25 am | Permalink

    I totally agree with you, As i drove thru there at a time later yesterday @ 4:45 P.M and was amazed with the amount of traffic going north on Bournais S towards Pandora Avet. So I decided to turn off onto Hatcher Rd and connect into Heartstone which is also in need a proper pedestrian crossing and with doing this allowed me to to get back to Pandora with out the stop and go traffic.Meanwhile while Plessis Rd being an important roadway is being closed for the next 1.5 years to facilitate the building of this long overdue underpass no real planning was brought to the table of creating an bypass which has been discussed already which should have been done right at the beginning and factored into the 77 million dollar price tag Maybe a trial run of closing off Plessis Rd for a week long before actually closing Plessis Rd should have been attempted and then maybe It would open up the eyes of our government on all 3 levels.There nothing you can do that cant be done.It Is never too late.

  • mv
    July 31, 2013 - 9:19 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know if any of you see the photo radar on Pandora Ave. but the city is going to make more money from people who speed by the Community center.

  • Ron
    August 1, 2013 - 7:54 pm | Permalink

    I just read in the Herald that Russ Wyatt has announced the City of Winnipeg will be installing temporary traffic-calming measures (speed bumps if you will) in the form of an elevated crosswalk and a trafic table at a height of six inches and approxmmately 22 feet long with the intent to slow traffic down on Bournais Street for those who choose to use Bournais as an alternate route. Although the traffic-calming measures are a small positive step it is by no means a solution to the increased traffic flow if the intent is to secure the safety of the children attending Bernie Wolfe school. In the early A.M. prior to school letting in these measures may be effective to a degree however when school lets out I cannot see these calming measures being of any use as this is prime rush hour and traffic is backed up bumper to bumper which would not allow a motorist to get up to a speed of any more than a crawl. If the City thinks that their repeated requests to encourage motorists to use alternate routes such as Ravenhurst or Lagimodiere will be effective they are dreaming as motorists are lazy and will take the shortest route available. The only logical solution I see is going ahead with the 500 metre by pass down Heartstone which will move traffic away from Bournais and the children attending Bernie Wolfe school. The traffic-calming measures announced by Russ Wyatt would cost less than the by pass over the C.N tracks however will “NOT” move the traffic away from the school, so ask yourself this “what is the cost of a child’s life”? And more to the heart imagine your feelings if you lost your child.

  • JOHN
    August 3, 2013 - 4:32 pm | Permalink

    MALOWAY AND PARTNERS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT OTHER ISSUES NOT TRYING TO DELAY THIS PROJECT .THEY WERE NOT THE ONES THAT PUSHED THIS FORWARD BUT NOW ARE TRYING TO MAKE POLITICAL IN ROADS .THEY HAVE LOST MY SUPPORT AND MANY OTHERS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO.THEY WILL HERE FROM ME WHEN THEY COME TO MY DOOR LOOKING FOR DONATIONS. TO SPEND MONEY ON A FLYER IS A TOTAL WASTE OF FUNDS. CLOSE PLESSIS AND LET THE JOB GET DONE.

    Moderator: We understand not everyone believes the residents should be properly consulted on this important community issue. The Provincial NDP government was the first level of government to commit funding for the project and then – M.P. Jim Maloway campaigned successfully to secure that provincial funding. Those pictures of him campaigning at Plessis in the 2011 Federal election for the project were not photoshopped. That he was not one of the ones ‘pushing this forward’ is revisionist history.

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